44: MICHELLE CARTER ▶ MURDER By Text

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Carina
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Carina

 I have many mixed emotions on this case.  I understand and appreciate Jon’s point of you when he mentioned the SSRI’s.  The media purposely kept this information out which does play a factor in this case. Coming from my personal experience with psychiatrists as well as my psychological experience from school the psychiatrist both people were saying were completely in the wrong. Michelle‘s psychiatrist should not have allowed her to take such medication at an early age in my field we learn about the pros and cons of antidepressants. However, we are repeatedly told that a minor should not be… Read more »

Liv
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Liv

The combination of inconsistent drugs taking, extremely unstable mental health and social peer pressure definitely contributes to her case and provides a slight understanding and possible reasoning for her actions. However… I do believe empathy is something we all have within and the responses used in the texts shows she must have had a little of it. I have to say.. I don’t think I now have a solid reason for believing she’s guilty as a cold blooded murderer… the instability of both Conrad and Michelle fuelled the events. I do not think this was an act of pure evil… Read more »

Nicole
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Nicole

Good points Liv – It definitely sheds a whole new light on the story that there were definitely other factors at play — she may not have been in her right mind when making these statements to him… but I believe whether she was in her right mind or not she was a key influencer here to make him go through with this act.

Nicole
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Nicole

Carina, I really think you hit the nail on the head — there are several issues that the media is definitely not considering here, and the fluctuations in medication dosages most likely played a part in her behavior, however, she is a clear influencer in this case and your point is spot on about his past suicide attemps – had she goaded him in this manner for the previous attempts, I think he would have been “successful” one of those prior attempts as well. It would be one thing if she was silent on the issue, but pressuring him to… Read more »

Shannon (aka Chivette)
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Shannon (aka Chivette)

I voted suicide but I do think she is guilty for the part that she told him to get back in. He had the power to leave the situation and she should have said something to someone who could help. 

Shannon (aka Chivette)
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Shannon (aka Chivette)

I believe she does need to serve time. Like Nicole said what she did was wrong and she needs to sacrifice some of her life for the life she could have prevented being taken. 15 months isn’t a terrible amount of time.

I do agree she needs rehabilitation though as well. She’s obviously has not getting the correct type of help like Carina stated. Also she’s been put through a lot, her own struggles, his struggles plus all the outcome from this case.

Its a very tough and extremely sad situation for everyone involved.

Danny Clark
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Danny Clark

I do believe it was Michelle’s fault. She did care about him, butttt she still persuaded him to do it.  Conrad wanted to kill himself, or at least had suicidal thoughts, and she did not tell him to stop.  The drugs did affect her and the system did fail her, but as a society we cannot use the drugs as a scapegoat. Like Jen is talking about her telling him the specific generator and different ways to kill himself.  She had intent to help him kill himself and she acted on it. Either way she deliberated the situation and still… Read more »

Shannon Millican
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Shannon Millican

This is really complex. Is this going to be a new category of emotional murder instead of physical murder? Wouldn’t she be an accomplice to the crime? I haven’t yet worked my way through this one yet so I suspend my vote. The press definitely paints a more horrific image of who she is, but the “get back in the car” issue is where I get stuck. Both of them were seriously addled, but there are plenty of kids who take antidepressants that dont encourage someone they love to kill themselves. What she is really guilty of though, is those… Read more »

Shannon Millican
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Shannon Millican

  Those brows are psychological murder too man. 

Rebecca Bierwagen
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Rebecca Bierwagen

So I just finally got to give this episode a listen, and after hearing the facts that you had thrown out Jon, it did make me think a little bit more about it. Back years ago, I met someone online. He was a little older than me, and we were both in really horrible mental situations. I was also on prozac at the time, and that was hands down the worst medication that I had personally been on. It made me more angry, it made me more depressed, it just made things a lot harder. He would constantly come to… Read more »

Nicole
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Nicole

Really really powerful insights Becca – I totally agree with you, I think there is a difference in just ignoring it or not having a part in it, but to provide instruction or when he was having doubts to do it… just different. Thank you for sharing your experiences <3 you are not alone.

Rebecca Cornwell
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Rebecca Cornwell

So I have a whole lot of ideas about this: this honestly has been my favorite episode to date. I agree with all three of you but I have to say I do side with John with a lot of these points. For starters I think Big Pharma is completely corrupt. Jen, I agree with you in saying that she should’ve reported Conrad’s suicide attempts and his fathers physical abuse. Nicole, along with that I also agree with the statement that they are drama filled teenagers who are crying out for help, they’re seeking attention, all of the above. But… Read more »

Nicole
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Nicole

Very interesting perspective, Rebecca. I see your point that when on medication, this may have created a perfect storm of thinking that this was the way to help him and make him happy.

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